This may be what Catholics believe, but it is certainly NOT what Jesus or his disciples believed!!
They believed and taught about ONE GOD, the Father, being ONE Person.
Jesus the Messiah as well as every Jew of Biblical times, stood upon the scriptural creed of Deut 6.4ff, the Shema.
This was Jesus' own creed as verified in Mark 12:28ff.
Note the scribe's response: (Mark 12:32) And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Obviously then, neither Jesus nor the scribe were trinitarian!
Also, Jesus identified his Father as the only true God! (John 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
On the subject of the trinity, I recommend this video: The Human Jesus
Take a couple of hours to watch it; and prayerfully it will aid you to reconsider "The Trinity"
St. Augustine said that trying to understand completely the mystery of God was like putting the ocean inside a seashell.Here's more about Trinity http://cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=136
Im not a catholic but to fully to comprehend the trinity is difficult but not to apprehend it. You can only begin to understand what it is "ONLY" if u know the difference between a person and a being. One does not equal the other and the one is a type of the other, You cant compare a class of something with its type. Its like comparing the term "car" to toyota or toothpaste to colgate. God is one Being but is made manifest in three persons. We use the term “person” regarding each member of the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), because each of them displays attributes of personhood, i.e., each speaks, is aware of others and himself, possesses a will, has emotions, etc. Hence, the term person.
The father says to the son "thy throne O God is forever a sceptre ...."
John14:26 says 26 But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.
Duh the word trinity is not found in the bible so are plenty of other things,,,, But the concept is found right in it the word "trinity" was only coined to attempt to label what was obviously already in the scripture.
Deut 6:4 Has nothing to do with the # of persons in the Godhead because at this time only the Father had been revealed to them it wud be unnecessary... This had to do with Idolatry and the many Gods that were around at that time...
Cathedral, of Ozamiz City will be consecrated this coming April 10, 2008 with the Apostolic Nuncio
Bro. Thata Rosal, Bro. Adam Amper and Bro. Wendell Talibong, during the CFD's Radio Program
Grand Religeous Debate: Catholic vs. Iglesia Ni Cristo founded by Felix Y.Manalo
Tagbilaran City, Province of Bohol, Philippines: Bro. Wendell Talibong, CFD, National Vice President for External Affairs, stood as affirmative side while the INC Central Minister Ramil Parba assisted by Minister Jose Vintilacion and Minister Jose Bebar took the negative side. The proposition was: "Resolved that the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Churcch is the True Church founded by Jesus Christ. according to the Bible and references.
Hon. Executive Judge Teriseta Flores of Court of Appeals for Mindanao
Catholic Doctrinal Seminar for Archdiocesan Holy Name Society
Bro. Wendell Talibong, CFD answering the questions during the open forum
Bro. Adam Amper during the Holy Name Society Archdiocesan Doctrinal Bible Study
Bro. Adam Amper and Bro. Thata Rosal, CFD M.U. Chapter
Catholic Doctrinal Seminar, Kapatagan, Lanao del Norte
Bible Study, Mizamiz University, live in Dxdd AM every Tuesday 7-8pm
Bible Study every Friday, 7-9 pm, ICCP, Ozamiz
Bro. Adam Amper, during the weekly Bible Study in Cathedral, Ozamiz City
OPERESYON TABANG FOR FIRE VICTEMS
Distribution of foods and used clothings for Brgy San Roque and Brgy. Tinago fire victems
Bro. Thata Rosal, Chairman of T.V. and Radio CFD Program
Bro. Adam Amper, CFD National Secretary and Chairman of Education Committee CFD Ozamiz Chapter
Bro. Robert Castro, CFD, CPA, Adviser of CFD Mizamiz University Chapter, at his back Bro. Lesty Cubol, CFD National Board and CFD M.U. Chapter
Bro. Cleb Calimutan, CFD Nationl Vice President for internal affairs, Bro. Thata Rosal, CFD National Board; Bro. Wendell Talibong CFD Nat'l Vice President for external affairs
The Catholic Faith Defenders Ozamiz City Chapter, recieved an Ecclesiastical Authority and Blessings from Most Rev. Jesus A. Dosado, C.M., D.D., Archbishop of Ozamiz
The gestures of Muslim Preacher Muhammad Ali, angrily answered to the moderator that he had no more questions
Religious Debate Born Again Pastor vs. CFD
The proposition was: "Resolved, That the King Jame Version is the Final Authority (Bible Alone) Bro. Wendell Talibong took the negative side while Pastor Rolly Lomo defended the affermative side.
The Religious Debate in Ozamiz City, Catholic Faith Defender vs. Born Again Pastor
The gestures of our National Vice President for External affaires during a public debate
GUIDED TO THE TRUE WAY: Attendeess in the Religiuos Public Debate held at the Public Market, the public in general was unanimous in their opinion that Pastor Lomo was no match against the debator of the Catholic Faith Defender, Bro. Wendell P. Talibong
During the the cross-examination, Pastor Lomo was confounded when confronted with a barrage of questions from Brother Wendell P. Talibong
In the cross-examination by Brother Wendell P. Talibong, Pastor Lomo admitted that the verses he cited did not state verbatim that the King James Version is the Final Authority for Christian teachings.
Our Catholic Station Dxdd AM/FM, the eye and the voice for truth in Archdiocese of Ozamiz
Bro. Wendell P. Talibong, CFD, anchorperson of our daily religious program in Station Dxdd AM/FM, Ozamiz City.
Bro. Thata Rosal, chairman of Religious Affairs, answering the questions of Baptist Pastor Boning Reyes and Pastor of The True Jesus Christ Church, Romeo Cabelis, during our Catholic Faith Defenders Religious Rally, in Ozamiz City
Bro. Soc Fernandez, guest speaker of our Radio Program
Radio Program: 9-10am daily, "Katin-awan sa Pagtuo"; 7-8pm, "LAMDAG" and every Sunday 6-7am, "Katin-awan sa Pagtuo" hosted by Bro. Adam Amper and 12-5pm, "DIALOGUE OF FAITH"
Bro. Puerto Javerola, CFD President and National Board of Director, Tagbilaran Chapter, host of 32nd CFD National Convention in Tagbilaran City
Bro. Doring, CFD Pres of Zamboanga City with Bro. Soc Fernandez National Adviser and Bro. Wendell Talibong, CFD Nat'l Vice Pres. for External affairs
CFD Misamis University Chapter, under their adviser Bro. Robert Castro, CFD,CPA
Rev. Fr. Pallar, spiritual director of CFD Tagbilaran Chapter
Doctrinal Exposition, conducted by CFD Ozamiz Chapter in Cathedral Plaza, Ozamiz City with Bro. Thata Rosal, chair of Religious Affairs, Bro. Adam Amper, Chair of Education Committee and Bro. Wendell Talibong, (speaker), National Vice Pres. for External Affairs and attended with pastors
Ozamiz Chapter with Atty. Marcelo Bacalso, and Judge Paz Vigada, CFD
Bro. Soc Fernandez, during our CFD National Convention in Tagbilaran City
Bais, Negros, duri the open forum
Debate in Tagbiliran City, Bohol Versus Minister of INC Central office, Bro. Wendell P. Talibong, C
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Debate in Tagbiliran City, Bohol Versus Minister of INC Central office
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This may be what Catholics believe, but it is certainly NOT what Jesus or his disciples believed!!
They believed and taught about ONE GOD, the Father, being ONE Person.
Jesus the Messiah as well as every Jew of Biblical times, stood upon the scriptural creed of Deut 6.4ff, the Shema.
This was Jesus' own creed as verified in Mark 12:28ff.
Note the scribe's response:
(Mark 12:32) And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Obviously then, neither Jesus nor the scribe were trinitarian!
Also, Jesus identified his Father as the only true God!
(John 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
On the subject of the trinity,
I recommend this video:
The Human Jesus
Take a couple of hours to watch it; and prayerfully it will aid you to reconsider "The Trinity"
Yours In Messiah
Adam Pastor
St. Augustine said that trying to understand completely the mystery of God was like putting the ocean inside a seashell.Here's more about Trinity http://cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=136
Im not a catholic but to fully to comprehend the trinity is difficult but not to apprehend it. You can only begin to understand what it is "ONLY" if u know the difference between a person and a being. One does not equal the other and the one is a type of the other, You cant compare a class of something with its type. Its like comparing the term "car" to toyota or toothpaste to colgate. God is one Being but is made manifest in three persons. We use the term “person” regarding each member of the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), because each of them displays attributes of personhood, i.e., each speaks, is aware of others and himself, possesses a will, has emotions, etc. Hence, the term person.
The father says to the son "thy throne O God is forever a sceptre ...."
John14:26 says 26 But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.
Duh the word trinity is not found in the bible so are plenty of other things,,,, But the concept is found right in it the word "trinity" was only coined to attempt to label what was obviously already in the scripture.
Deut 6:4 Has nothing to do with the # of persons in the Godhead because at this time only the Father had been revealed to them it wud be unnecessary... This had to do with Idolatry and the many Gods that were around at that time...
look ,and have another look!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
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